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There are plenty of GASbags on RFF, such as "Backdoor alley," who will ASSist those guys when they try to sell their gear.... LOL. Moe's already primed for shilling. His post reminds me of those fake letters in Penthouse Forum magazine back in the 1980s. "As always, it sure is fun to hear you talk about your cameras. And has me not feeling so guilty about a new Nikon RF which I keep doing the back and forth in a do I really need this? argument." I'm sure he tosses and turns all night in his bed (see photo below) trying to decide what piece of gear he's going to buy next.

Is that a butt plug on your night stand?

"Geez I think backdoor alley needs professional help after reading his latest poll, ot/ bath or shower? Mods can get away with this kind of bullshit. If anyone else would have started this thread they would have been reprimanded. Notice all the ass kissers in that thread lining up for a drink of backdoor's bathwater." ---FED

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1597

Brad Evans versus Al Kaplan, or the little chubby guy versus the tall skinny guy, or the angry troll envious of the master's photo style and accomplishments. Take your pick. All he does is sit behind his computer posting nasties about other photographers. However, once in a while the brat snaps a couple preferring the homeless, cheap hookers and grainy B&Ws at an abandoned prison. We suspect this loser and his buds are uncomfortable with Al because they can't put a label on him---they can't compartmentalize or categorize him. Poor Brad, or should I say Eric Milner? It seems that Brad lets Eric post under his name---or are they one and the same---a carefully crafted pseudo right down to the noodle's pic and website called, citysnaps.

Doesn't Brad look like Goofy except for those yellow teeth? He should stop chewing Luigi leather. Check out his "Still Life" gallery of lovely mannequins. We at the poo suggest he move up to a Hustler or "Greek Girl" sex doll. That way he can get off with his subject material instead of getting off by flaming others on the Pnut. I wonder if that's Richard Silfverberg lying on the floor inside Alcatraz facing the toilet. E-mail your photo critiques: b-evans@sbcglobal.net.

One fine pnuter wrote, "I Googled Brad Evans last year and he does exist. He is in Palo Alto, and a friend of Jeff, and does enter photo contests and juried gallery exhibitions. I met Jeff about 5 years ago and he does exist. He doesn't look like Brad. I think I saw a photo of Eric somewhere in a post and I'm not sure about Eric being Brad. However, they are all Philip Greenspun's buddies and speak with one voice."

Al Kaplan writes, "at this point I've been hanging out with the local political establishment for so long that I can get away without the suit & tie and neat haircut 'uniform,' but I wear a suit when appropriate. I don't go places as 'an outsider' like 'street photographers' do. I don't sneak pictures. People know me and soon get used to the ever present camera. I've lived with Florida Indians and West Virginia Hillbillies, hunted with them, drank Bud and smoked with them. Been friends with Gypsies and rock stars, lived with a black Jamaican woman for a dozen years, helped raise her boys. I can't picture Brad doing any of those things. He finds it easier to just sneak pics of girls' asses. I LIKE people, I like being with them and interacting with them. I just wanna have fun!"

So, Brad---'er, Eric. What have you done?

Another fine ex-Pnuter writes: "that would be Josh Root or Bob Atkins (both moderators there) but due to the length of time on the suspension I would definitely guess it is Jeff Spirer...there are a couple of moderators there who are looking for you because of your photography accomplishments or perhaps your Jewish roots...That's the reason I asked that my account be terminated a few months ago. I don't know what to suggest, but they're looking for you and probably have an alert whenever you post anything on any PN forum. Piss on them. They are garbage anyway."

Joe Rizzuto did write, "it was a year ago today...that i had a heart attack, just 3 days before my birthday. i took this week off from work so i could quietly celebrate having lived another year...anyway, i just wanted to mark the occasion...." So sorry but why are you still guzzling coffee and munching Tim's donuts? Stop feeling sorry for yourself and be a man. How hard can that be?

Ray_g is also known as Dr. Ramon Generoso, a doctor at the GAStroenterology Center of Connecticut. When he's not looking through the viewfinder of a Leica, you may find him looking through the viewfinder of an endoscope. Got GAS? Call the doctor. Can't stop taking photographs in public restrooms? Call the doctor. Here is his blog.

Trevor Hare, a tiny man, did post about Philip Greenspun taking back the Pnut reins. He did make reference with this and this thread; and now Trever is a tiny big man! Philip did state the Pnut is about money and it is not about money; and if he doesn't like you, you will kick you off and keep your membership fee. Here's a sample of what he did write: "Oh yes, I should have added that I'd like to see a more helpful community. Every posting and member should be evaluated by the moderators with an eye toward answering the question 'does this help other members who are trying to improve their skills?' If the answer is 'not helpful', the posting should be deleted or moderated way down into a dungeon that is hard to click into. If a subscriber is consistently unhelpful, we should ask ourselves why it wouldn't be better to have a slightly smaller community where every member is helpful." Oh, and Mottershead and Bobo Actkins are as mad as can be.

"Are you 'man enough' to admit it?" (A poll by the Doc---gas & asshole specialist) "Call it a gadget bag, messenger bag, gear bag, or whatever suits you, but do you use a MAN PURSE? I know a lot of us usually go around with a camera or two. It may be hard to distinguish between having a camera bag, with a few personal items...." (keys, sunglasses, lipstick, cellphone, moleskine, PDA, bottle of Viagra, KY-Jelly, Toilet paper, etc) "...thrown in, as opposed to a 'gadget bag' with a camera thrown in. I leave that up to you. Let's hear it."

More RFF stupidity. Doc "Noodles" writes: "Looking forward to a trip in mid-March. My wife and I will be travelling to Casablanca, Fez and Marrakesh. Any advice (photography-related or otherwise) would be most welcome. Thanks."

"Cavegirl" writes: "Hey Ray,If all goes as planned, I'll be joining an excavation in Morocco in May and staying for about a month and a half. The site is in Temara, which is near Rabat. I haven't started planning for the trip yet in case the funding doesn't work out and I can't go, but I have tentatively thought about what camera(s) I might bring and reluctantly decided that the M3 should probably stay at home since I'd die if anything happened to it."

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35361

"Frank, Is that typical behavior for Leicaphiles? What do they do if they get a scratch on their Leicas, commit suicide? The Leicaphile feels proud that he or she can buy the most expensive camera available but they don't use it because they're worried about it getting broken or stolen. ---FED."

John Camp: "moderately annoyed, with possible increase to very. I would like to get my Leica lenses coded for the M8 that I've already ordered, without sending them to Germany, and I would like it to get done soon, so they'll be ready when the M8 gets here...but I cannot get the Leica USA people to even respond to an e-mail! Be patient?" Ywenz: "this is truly the sign of a great company. You'd think for a speciality brand like Leica, they'd value customer interaction more." And so the Leica Saga continues...shit on their customers every which way and then some. For they are the great Leica, a Teutonic legacy.

I've never seen RFF's numbers this low. Guests outnumbered members almost 7 to 1 and it's only midnight Pacific Time. Maybe people are fed up with backdoor alley's whining about his latest camera fetishes. I just read that the poor bastard wet his pants: "is this because of my dentist quip on the low priced leica thread?" And...the quote of the week goes to, "i'm the biggest baby when it comes to pain. I need a general anesthetic to have my hair cut! i have just wet my pants and finished rolling on the floor and i plan to use this line as often as possible till my friends start throwing things at me! joe" See here.

I read Jorge's thread, "Anyone ever hear again from Roman." Roman quit last October because Torrabla deleted some anti-Bush demonstration photos from the gallery. Here’s that thread where Jorge asked about Roman. Here’s the thread where Roman complained about Jorge’s censorship on RFF.

Check out Jorge’s M8 pics in the gallery. Here’s his 629KB image of a pig. Why do we need 629KB to see that this photo sucks? That Jorge is a fucking genius, eh? I like this one of Jorge’s wife and kids. What do the wife and kids think of Daddy’s new $5,000 toy?

Mango writes, "Hey, great shot Jorge. Is that your son in the foreground?" If it is I wonder if he's thinking, "So that's what a college fund looks like." Torralba answers, "College? They will join the army for college funds!" In other words, fuck the kids’ education because Daddy’s having a digital HCB moment. Daddy’s a "street photographer," programmer, entrepreneur and the "big cheese" of RFF. The kids can risk life and limb to pay for their own education. It looks like Mrs. Torralba and her daughter are reading a book. I wonder if they’re reading "The Emperor’s new Clothes."

Now that the digital M has been unveiled, with its skimpy CCD, tinfoil shutter and chubby physique, the girlie Leica diehards have shrugged off film and ceased singing the chammy shutter song. So King Moe Glatzkopfig is underwearless and patiently awaiting another freebie. Dweeb Silfverberg and Herr Hett have all ready each received heed, a Cuban die Zigarre and a black die Blume. The semen is building up.

Check out this review. Leica says the M8 has 16 bit color resolution and this reviewer says it's only 8 bit. Kodak made the sensor for the M8. How much do you want to bet that Leica goes bankrupt?

RFF membership fees are going up! Yup. Here's why: "I have been scammed out of $7200.00 I purchased a Canon 1DSII from some guy in San Diego. Payed him with paypal and I never received the goods. He emailed me receipts from the post office which the post office say they have no record of. I think this is a federal offense now. I have his name and number and will need to contact the authorities next week. If anyone here is in law enforcement and has some pointers for me I would really appreciate it. The worst part is that my wife now knows of my secret camera funds. ---Jorge Torralba" See folks? RFF is Jorge's cash cow for an expensive hobby; and just after this e-bay misadventure RFF's membership fees were implimented. Now that the bamboozler has received his just reward, the judge was very mean, Jorge is still out the bread so a membership fee hike is in the works---just after the 'empty pockets' sob story.

And Joe jumps into the rescue but he hasn't quite figured out the angle. "another new project idea!! call me crazy but i like this idea...maybe you are aware of a site called 50 milimeter, 2 guys who post pics, i think using a 50mm lens each, might be weekly iirc. i'm thinking of a spin off of that for here at rff. we pair up with another member, we use the same lens (if possible) or the same focal length - so 21 each or 28 or 35...you get the idea. we post one pic per week. those are the only details i have in my head so far. what do you think and how do you suggest we do it, ya know - if yer interested?"

I can only imagine the horrific face I was making, as I suddenly felt the elderly man looking at me. I turned away, embarrassed, and the elderly man uttered that cliché phrase; that question that has dumbfounded man since the beginning of time: "What’s wrong with the world?" I looked him directly in the eye and said: "There are too many stupid people living in it." ---Matthew G.

FrankS is well on his way to the fleshpot and did post this poo: "for some reason RF photography fostered this transformation within me. Perhaps it's because the framing isn't exactly precise in a RF camera, that the rest follows naturally?" Hmmm. That's a tough one, Frank. I would say you are correct but you have to actually go out and shoot for the rest to follow naturally---that is if you use the gray matter in-between the ears while at it. It works for me, anyway.

A lesson on spelling by John Camp. "How to spell 'lens.' One lens is spelled, lens. If you have more than one lens, you have lenses. You do not have a lense. There are a few dictionaries which allow 'lense' as a secondary, non-preferred version of 'lens', but those dictionaries are wrong and the people who wrote them are stupid. If you misplace something, you lose it (one 'O'). If you're a slacker, you're a loser. One 'O.' If your clothes are not tight, they are loose. If you want to make them even less tight, then you want to make them looser. Don't make me come over there with my pointer and hit you on the head." Okay, well done, John. Perhaps you can tutor Jorge Torralba. He writes like a Grade 2 student on crack. I had to correct your grammar and punctuation, by the way; but I won't declare that you are stupid like the people who wrote and compiled those trash American dics. Hmmm. Do you know the meaning of the word, pomp? How about bombast?

Frank of Ontario did write, "clearly the nature of existence is cyclical, as evidenced innumerable times in the various rhythms and cycles in nature. For us, it is hoped that the cycles tend to form an upward spiral rather than a downward one, or worse, the endless chasing of a tail. I am a classic camera user, dark (room) arts alchemist, eclectic agnostic pagan with Buddhist tendencies...itching to get into wedding photography, mainly because photographing a wedding IMO is less work than video. Perhaps less work, though I'd argue that too, but definitely more talent/finesse. You have to know when to push the button for one thing. A man has nothing in this world but his honour." - After stealing pics from here and there, back alley Joe, moderator of RFF did post, "I lifted this pic from ebay, where it is being auctioned as N.O.S., made by leica but now discontinued, black leather half case." Fuck. This is nuts. No wonder the camera industry is looney-tunes. I pity the flock.

John Camp writes crap about Ken's bubble bursting article (unedited). John Camp lives in St Paul, Minnesota where he teaches grade school and writes professionally, or so he claims. "The article is amusing but total horse-bleep. Ansel Adams paid attention to his tools almost obsessively; you didn't see him out there with a Kodak Brownie. He always carried the biggest camera he could handle and considered MF a compromise; he wrote ***books*** about technique. You know the Zone System? He was one of the developers of it. Rockwell sez Jack Dykinga is as good as Adams but different; I'd disagree, but without getting into that argument, look at Dykinga's equipment. Can you say "Arca-Swiss?" Can you say "Customized van to carry my photo equipment around?" Rockwell's website is notorious for its misinformation. I think the guy must feel pressure to write **something** ...so he just writes **something.**" Thanks, John, but you completely missed the point; I guess this is why I've never seen you in print. And why haven't you posted those great photos yet?

Typical poo post---the lesson is: always use a neck strap with your camera, especially when intoxicated. Kully writes, "GTN in my hands.... After many years with SLRs I finally decided to give rangefinders a go. Unfortunately my attempts at getting a Zorki 4K on eBay failed (too many dodgy buggers) so I now have a Yashica GTN and an Olympus 35 RC (and an Olympus Trip 35). I took the GTN to a beer festival last week and it performed excellently. I shot on Ilford HP5, I was drunk, it was my first time shooting split-screen and I dropped it twice (once from twelve feet) and it's absolutely fine - and the photos were well exposed every time. Only bad points at the moment are some kind of electrical "kurrkh" sound when I press the shutter down and although it's survived two drops already it does feel fragile...Anyway, a pointless post but I thought I'd write something rather than lurking."

Important "question about classifieds need an answer. As you all know, members who upgrade their membership on the forum, have access to post classifieds in the new classifieds section. Others pay a minimal fee per ad. I would like to make sure all is working. If you have an upgraded membership and you are asked to pay for an ad, please let me know. Thanks, Jorge." So this is how he pays the bills (ripping members). Poor bastards. Now he's stooped to using the wife's C.C:

Jorge, admin and big cheese of RFF and many other fine dinky toy boards did write about using his wife's credit card to buy a very expensive new Leica lens without her knowing. This is what he did write, "Leica GAS! Well, I did it. Used my wife's VISA and got the new 50 ASPH in chrome. What a gorgeous lens! Now I need to go out and shoot." Joe mod then asks him, "Does she know yet?" Jorge, "I need to get the bill before it arrives. That way the next time the bill comes in it wont be detailed." (The whiff can't read?)

Yes, you need to go out and shoot, and hope to Hell your wife doesn't find out and calls the pigs. Or maybe your wife doesn't mind supporting you? Gee, you must be quite the little big man---a right wing Cuban Christian living off the whiff. She must either really be stupid or love you dearly. 'Er, and you claim to be a software engineer? I guess you're not working right now? Hmmm, Puts-isms really do sway the small.

The famous Puts shill did write, "the technical quality and impact of photographs is still superior to the results that can be generated from the digital process.... In my view, photography is a craft that tries to reproduce reality as honestly as possible and the best means to do this is the film based photography." And that's it in a nutshell so keep reading.

Now that the Voigtlander Bessa R2M and R3M have been announced for Summer, I can see R2A/R3A prices dropping even more. Today we have seen a recent drop in Canada and the free shipping offered to the forum fondlers by some dealers. I bet the big drop will occur soon and to a hair under $500 US. Once the new mechanical shutter'd Bessas will be sold without the special lens, you'll see prices dip to the $449 US mark. Yup. This is good news for us rangefinder photographers. In my opinion, a Bessa R2, R2A or R2M should be priced $250 less than the Nikon FM3a.

Zeiss Ikon prices too have dropped substantially since it's long awaited debut last year; and the new Ikon planned for a late 2006 Fall/X-mas release, you are going to see the silver version drop to around $1089. By the way, from what I've heard the new Ikon will be a bit rounder and coupled with a better shutter dampening system, along with having some its bugs worked out. It should be quite the camera for those who require the latest and greatest.

Hahaha, and now for Leica. They are the only camera company bucking the trend. Their prices keep rising while their sales keep dropping. Even their profits are in the red. However, here is good news! Hermès, a French company and one of Leica's major shareholders, is setting up shop in major cities around the globe. Hermès is a high-end nick-nack shop not unlike the exclusive Dunhill store. They will be pushing Leica to the snobs and to the Japanese tourists. This will provide a little unhealthy competition so that the fondlers will have more to choose from. Hell, even Vancouver, British columbia is getting one; and it's setting up right where the old Dunhill store once stood. Ah, yes. French snob-shops replacing English snob-shops flogging Portuguese made German Leica cameras. I'm loving it, and that's why I went the Bessa route. Besides, I already own a black professional Jap made Leica CL; and it does indeed make dork bars.

Mechanical versus electronic shutters, now what do you think about that? You want the beef? Well, I don't really care as long as it's a good camera with a good shutter and with a super-sharp lens. However, I believe the ELECTRO type shutter is more accurate and thus it resolves a bang-on picture. I don't like my exposure off so that is why I love all my electronic shutter'd cameras better. Yes, the Yashica Electro GSN and the Voigtlander Bessa R3A are truly remarkable electro rangefinders. There's always to read more here if you don't believe me. Of course the fondlers will tell you otherwise because they hardly ever take photos. They are too busy fondling and trolling or banging themselves.

Did you know the Yashica "G" series flash synch only applies to the use of the old flash bulbs? You will find that the Yashica G's will synch strobe flash in AUTO at all but the highest speed, making it great for outdoor fill. This is a MAJOR plus over a great many RF cameras and ALL SLRs out there. Read more here. Finally, the bad news and the good news. For the cash I spent on my used but pristine black professional Leica CL, I could have bought 2 new Bessa R3A's plus 1 new Voigt lens, or as many as 1000 used but pristine Yashica Electro GSNs. That's the bad news. The good news is that I own 2 Bessa R3A's and 2 Electro GSNs and they do not get fondled. Update: I do like the CL's viewfinder better than the one on my 2 Bessa Rs and much better than my 2 GSNs.

In response to an article about Cosina, Tom A did write, "I have the honor and pleasure of having known Mr. Kobayashi since 1999 and I credit him with almost singlehandedly having created a new interest in film based photography. In a world of "look-a-like" products and decisions based on corporations run by accountants, he is the one who still designs and makes products that are created out of a passion for image making. Mr Kobayashi is also a rare corporate executive - he is willing to listen to the users and if the ideas and suggestions are viable he most likely will make it, even as a small product run such as the Nikon/Contax RF series lenses, the Topcon 58/1.4 lens in M4-2 or Nikon mount and the 50/3.5 Heliar. What he has created in 7 years in lenses and camera bodies rivals what companies like Leica/Zeiss/Nikon have done in their lifetime!"

Being a little slow on the draw, the RFF moderator writes, "Who does the warranty work on them in Canada?" Joe, of course, is referring to the fantastic Bessa line from Cosina Voigtlander. Well, Joe, it's like this. The Canadian distributor is in Burnaby, British Columbia, and the warranty work is sent to Camtex here in Vancouver---located just 5 blocks up my street. They have repaired many of my old cameras over the years and they will give you a free estimate before proceding. Their repair prices are always reasonable for non-warranty work. One of their techs used to work in the old Yashica factory (Japan) and the owner used to work in the old Kiev factory (Ukraine). So there you have it. Now you can stop side-tracking and go work on your photography skills. Life is short, Joe, unless you too are a self-proclaimed Buddhist like your German buddy. Funny, 'trowsky sounds Ukainian or Polish like my name---though I tell everyone that I'm Black Irish. Since I mentioned Kiev, they are still being made today. The factory owner is Zavod Arsenal. Most of these cameras are being sold on ebay, but there is a USA distributor. For more information about the Kiev and other fine "Soviet" cameras, check out this informative page. Keep 'er chugging!

Jorge did write: "How dumb could I be. I have been snapping pictures left and right for the past month of the family having fun and capturing that Kodak moment on Velvia. Today I decided to swap out what was left and put in some Tmax. Well, rewind felt a bit odd. No film in the camera!! This is only the second time I have done this. The last time was about 17 years ago while shooting under water with a Nikonos II. Was diving in Key Laro for a good 45 minutes snapping pictures. Only to realize no film!" Hahahahaha! If you kiss my ass I'll show you how to put film in your camera.

Here is a question for you camera buffs. What 2 cameras I own were intro'd in 1973? Hint: I was 19 years old. Give up? The Electrofying Yashica GSN & the pristine Leica CL. The GSN sold for $39.99 USD, or thereabouts, and the CL sold for a small fortune. Do you know which one was better? The cheaper one. That's right. And so this is true today. Just because a camera is most expensive doesn't mean it's best. Bessa, baby. That's the GSN of today. Now I have another question. How many of you spend most of your time on forums? They're fun, aren't they. All of you? I'm attracting the wrong crowd.

From the bowels of Neverland they slither into the bellies of "boards" so that they can vomit their pseudo venom. They are the riffraff---the seepage of society---who disrupt discussion. Trolls are the opposite of those who post in a positive manner, and then some. They do it to anger and they do it for kicks; though their true intention is to drag others down in order to prop themselves up. The typical type will plod home from a 2-bit job only to plop at the screen and rouse into a state. With spirits at hand and most likely a joint, their pain recedes---but only until the morning creeps in. Trolls have no life. Take for example this little fellow. His videography stint has long been abandoned and now photography's the game---thank God for the girlfriend's wad! Going with pseudos such as. Eric~, ~Jon~, ~cire (Ben, Erica Milner, Andy Aitken, Andrew Hall, Brandt Fan, Marlo, pooh-pooh, Harry Zet, Paul Chan, Melanie Chang, Joe Blow) and numerous other stupid names, this troll has managed to post at least thirty-thousand times in just 2 years. As a diversion from failure and a desire for importance, Mr. Potty Mouth posts to provoke. One good standing pnut member writes, "Eric is a pain in the ass. I don't understand why he hasn't been kicked off." And so it goes. Trolls are a sickly sort with similar stories and it's unfortunate there's no cure. Click smiley for some Sieg heils, ditzes and street crap.

Damn! The crap never ends! Now that Eric the D.P. has just declared that he is also a photo journalist. But for who? Himself? Watch out for this nut. Trolling has transformed him, I think. Plus he loves to phone and hang up and e-mail me with childish threats. Here's another pommy loser. Now look at this Vancouver based photographer's portfolio. Not bad, eh?

Another dumb post from Moe! "135 focal length---okay. By now most of you must be aware that I've been trying to sell my 135/3.5 lens---not very much interest. So does everyone already have a 135 that they are happy with or is it just a very unpopular focal length these days? Besides being an obvious way of bringing attention to my sale, I'm actually wondering about the answer to my question." Read my info page, Joe. Rangefinders aren't good with tele lenses. 90mm or 100mm are pretty much all that they can handle in the way of accurate focusing. That's why no one wants to buy your 135mm lens. Now if it were an SLR tele, this would be a whole different story. How did you ever become a moderator of a rangefinder camera forum, Joe? You seem to know almost nothing about them. And I keep having to correct your grammar, punctuation and spelling. A moderator should be setting a good example. Don't shame us Canadians. Poop. No wonder John Camp has had it with your rotten spelling.

After looking for advice on camera gloves, etc, Joe goes pooing his pants with projection: "let's be friendly, ok? so geez, there's another dumb ass post about lens hoods, or is straps this time? Don't ya just hate all the chrome vs. black posts too? and if I have to read about another camera case and how it's stitched...or camera bags sand or black, can it hold my stuff and a weeks worth of clothes too? I don't understand what all this stuff has to do with photography? Really, isn't it just about the photos and not the cameras or the lenses or the filters or the bags...but the photos!! Okay, end of sarcastic diatribe but if the above describes you then maybe this is the wrong place for you! i'm not trying to be a smart ass here, but i am serious. think about your role here, if it's mostly negative feelings, thoughts and behaviours about most of the members here, then what the hell are you here for? if your joy is in trying to ruin other's joy then it's time to leave or be prepared to be shown the door! If you can control yourself and just loathe us quietly from a distance then by all means stay." Back alley Joe now has many poo threads---14,171 posts---about cameras, lenses, filters, hoods, bags, camera gloves etc, along with the I'm better than you trash. As always, another great thread starter from you; I'm glad you decided to lock it! It must be fun to be the nutty moderator!

4 hours later Joe did post, "I want a 40mm. Maybe you know that recently my 40 arrived broken and unusable. Insurance; who knows how long that's gonna take. Now, I'm thinking about a new CV 40mm/F1.4 - the MC is about $250. The 90/2.8 broke my camera bank so I am completely tapped out for the moment. Do I have something to trade or sell...hmmmm? I'm thinking about the 28/3.5 Nikkor, it goes for more than the 40/1.4. Hmmm. Anyone interested in talking to me about this? And I am done, this involves a 40 which technically I have now as a done person. I will re-aquire a 28 later to keep things done; and when the 40mm/F2 is repaired, I will evaluate the 2 lenses and decide which to keep and which to sell." 2 hours go by and then he posts this creepy question: "silly trade? I have a mint M grip in black and want to trade for a silver one. Anyone?" As a moderator I think Joe makes a liviing suckering the flock for sweet deals and then flogs the crap back for more cash.

High-lights of another great RFF thread. Brian Shaw: "I'm losing interest... and getting closer to answering my own question of which photo forums are worth following. I once was enchanted with the breadth of discussion at RFF, combined with the friendly conviviality. Now I see too many grown-ups arguing like adolescent kids, being counter-balanced by some overly-pompous posters, and now what appears to be a whole lot of parental hand-slapping. My motto's for today: I'd rather be taking pictures! My other camera is an SLR!" Frank: "if that is your choice, go with grace. Best wishes!" Andrew: "I think we may consider stepping back from moderating and just let people go at each other. If one engages in a war of words on a forum so be it. It takes 2 or more to make it happen. I you see an offending post simply ignore it and it will die. If yo get involved because you are offended you are only fueling the flame and at that point I will just stay out of it. However, I will delete any profanity, religious or political comments when I see them if they are expressing in an offensive way. To the moderators, if I one of my postings get deleted for being too negative or rude, I'l take it as a heads-up. While I'm up on the soapbox, let me add that I hope you all don't make the place too boring by over doing it on the deletions." Back alley Joe: "it was a joke Gabriel! Has everyone lost the ability to laugh around here?" Gabriel: "when next time I told everyone to fuck off, or tell everyone they are just dumb stupid, it was just a joke. No wonder we have a bunch of disrespectful students around when the teachers are idiots. Just a joke." 'Er, teachers? All RFF-ers are retards. The only one laughing is Jorge Torralba, and he is laughing all the the way to his bank. A few hours later, Jorge Torralba did get very angry and started a new thread called, "I deleted the negative post thread. I have had enough! I am tired of baby sitting and watching the insults. My moderators do a great job and spend too much time trying to work things out and keep the forum in order. They have a list of people who need to be banned. I will communicate with them and finalize the dropping of the trouble makers. Any typos or incorrect spelling are due to electronic transfer errors." Tits okay. I'm always temped to correct your pooh before posting it here.

The 3 trolls---'er, stooges, have sites! Lookie here: Trevor Hare's flick, Richard Silfverberg's blog and yet another flick from Mr. Potty Mouth. Whereas Trevor and Richard cross post---the same crap over and over again all over the God damn place, Mr. Potty posts schizophrenically. Trevor can be found in English churches, Richard in junk shops (rummaging through camera junk boxes) and Mr. Potty in cheap bars guzzling 'til closing so that he can go shoot "the ladies" tricking for their next fix. Seriously. I'm not kidding.

Hello Leica specialists and non-specialists alike. My name is Rolf Schweitzer and I am here today to post a couple of questions. With the recent revival of several classic rangefinder cameras---some exactly the same while others modernized---is the new MP indeed identical with the old MP? Now, if this is so are the body materials the same? Which is more rugged for actual operation in the field? The last responder gets a sucker.

"It is clear that collectors wish to have pristine bodies which look as unused as possible. The only exception are the black paint bodies, which should look worn out." Indeed wise words from Erwin Puts, Leica's official counter shill; and I must say it's true. After reading and re-reading all I could find under "Leica FAQ" via ask.com, and taking heed of all that was written by the pnut's board experts, shills and trolls, along with other experts I had spoken with, I have come up with my own Leica M buyers guide. Here it is. Ahead of its time the Leica M3 was the only real M. M stands for the mount and 3 stands for 3 frame-lines (when peeping through the viewfinder. Since it's doubtful you can find this 50-year-old camera in pristine condition, it's best to forget it. The M4 with it's 4 frame-lines is probably a better choice but again, this model is old and I believe finding one in nice shape is a near impossibility. So forget this one too. The black professional CL is not really professional at all and only like 8 technicians in the world were factory trained to work on it. This is rather strange because after the M3 the CL was Leica's top selling M camera. Why did the Puts shill write that the CL and the M5 were commercial failures? Perhaps the great M5 was because it was so much uglier than the previous models. On the other hand many pnut experts have highly recommended this ugly side hanging M5 thingy. I think it's okay...though I've never seen one and I've heard the availability of parts is a concern---unless one is one with the good doctor. Who?

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